Showing posts with label AI & Technology. Show all posts
Showing posts with label AI & Technology. Show all posts

Thursday, 16 July 2026

Beyond the Silo: Why the Future of Translation Is a Pedagogical Challenge

For a long time I felt I was balancing two professional identities. I was a scholar of translation studies, immersed in the nuances of cross-lingual communication; and my doctoral work was rooted firmly in education, in how we structure learning, design curricula and foster critical thinking in professional contexts such as translation. I used to think I had to keep these worlds apart. I was wrong.

In the age of AI, the biggest hurdle for our industry is not technology adoption. It is pedagogy.

The Educational Crisis in Translation

When we talk about the 'talent drain' in translation, we are not just talking about software. We are talking about an educational crisis. We have been teaching translation as a manual, linear skill. To thrive in the AI era, students need to become researchers, auditors and meta-cognitive architects of their own workflows.

This is where my background in education has become my most valuable tool. Doctoral training did not just teach me to manage a classroom; it taught me to dismantle old concepts and build new, effective mental models.

The Hybrid Identity

As a translation pedagogy practitioner and specialist, I have realised that the 'language intelligence architect' we need today is fundamentally an educated learner. To be a great translator today, you must be a great student of your own process. That is why I am pivoting my professional identity toward translation pedagogy design.

  • It is not just a translation course. It is an educational experience that uses the Augmented Iterative approach to teach students how to think through problems with an LLM.
  • It is not just proofreading. It is a pedagogical assessment design, the Audit Trail, that requires students to justify their cognitive choices against the AI's suggestions.
  • It is not just theory. It uses the deep epistemological foundations of translation studies as a diagnostic tool to critique machine output.

If we do not bring our deep knowledge of pedagogy into our translation studies classrooms, we will keep producing graduates who are technically proficient but critically empty.

Are you seeing this merge in your own work? Has your training in one field, such as education, unexpectedly become the 'killer app' for your success in translation?

Wednesday, 17 June 2026

Stop Training Translators for a World That No Longer Exists

Stop sign

A dangerous misconception persists in higher education: that translation and multilingual communication are linear, bilingual text-transfer tasks, a mechanical exchange in which a source text goes in and a target text comes out. That outdated assumption leaves legacy academic programmes fundamentally misaligned with reality, now that large language models (LLMs) handle basic linguistic transfer with ease.

From Transfer to Workflow

To remain viable, universities in Canada and the GCC alike must dismantle this legacy framework and rebuild their programmes across their theoretical, conceptual, practical and professional dimensions. We must move from the traditional transfer paradigm to a dynamic workflow paradigm (Andani, 2025). That means shifting our theoretical foundations away from simple bilingual equivalence and towards a process-oriented cognitive partnership (Simbolon, 2024), in which the human is elevated to strategic architect of complex, technology-driven language ecosystems.

What Is at Stake

On a practical and professional level, treating translation as a mere text-matching exercise does a profound disservice to students, regional economies and vital social institutions. In Canada, robust human stewardship is a legal and democratic safeguard, protecting systemic integrity in public health, law and multicultural inclusion against the risks of unchecked algorithmic output.

Across the GCC, language services are a strategic national asset driving economic diversification and Vision 2030 initiatives, in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere. Safeguarding cultural dignity, regional nuance and "face" in Arabic demands sophisticated human intervention that generic, Western-centric AI simply cannot replicate.

Takeaway

Our pedagogy, or andragogy if you prefer, must pivot away from rote error correction and towards training highly specialised linguistic engineers equipped with advanced AI literacy, prompt engineering and risk-based auditing skills to drive the global knowledge economy. Legacy courses, translation studies and specialised translation courses included, need thorough epistemological revision and redesign. We are dealing with different concepts and constructs. We need to upskill our competencies and upgrade our conceptual framework in translation.

Thursday, 16 April 2026

AI Has Changed Assessment; Higher Education Has Not Caught Up

AI has already transformed how learners think, solve problems and produce knowledge. Higher education assessment, meanwhile, remains largely unchanged. A clear gap is opening between how students actually work and how they are evaluated.

Students use AI to accelerate learning, iterate rapidly and reach knowledge beyond the formal curriculum. In many cases they are becoming more adaptive and efficient than the systems designed to assess them. Yet they stay discreet about it, largely because current models still penalise or misread AI-assisted work.

A fundamental misalignment

We claim to value critical thinking and real-world readiness, yet we continue to assess controlled, decontextualised outputs.

Frameworks such as learning analytics and computerised adaptive testing show that more dynamic, process-oriented assessment is possible, while automated scoring systems highlight both the scalability and the risks of current approaches. At policy level, the OECD and UNESCO keep calling for competency-based, ethical and transparent systems. Institutions remain slow to adapt.

If this continues, assessment risks becoming ever more performative, while students become more strategic and less transparent.

Final thought: the real issue is not that students are using AI. It is that they may already be learning and evolving faster than the systems meant to measure them.

Assessment in the age of AI

Monday, 13 April 2026

Beyond Mock Exams: Audio Briefings for the AI Era

Mock exams are not a tenable method of assessment in the age of AI and digitalisation. As an educator in multilingual education and AI-assisted pedagogy, I am challenging the memorisation paradigm that has dominated our classrooms for too long. Mock exams belong to a different era, rooted in the standardisation and industrial paradigm that treated education like assembly-line production. Here is why I reject them, and what I do instead.

Why mock exams fail

Mock exams promote rote cramming and turn students into prisoners of repetition. They kill cognitive dynamism and ignore how multilingual skills, such as contextual fluency and cultural adaptation, demand real-world application rather than one-shot tests from an outdated industrial model.

Alternatives to mock exams

My approach: progressive mastery, in class and remotely

I favour continuous activities and mini-projects that build competencies situationally. Students apply their multilingual skills through collaborative tasks, simulations and AI-enhanced workflows, developing a deep, layered understanding along the way.

The innovation: NotebookLM audio guides

Today I used NotebookLM to create an audio overview of the final exam structure: an elaborate narrative linking each question to the full network of lectures. Students engage multisensorially, listening, associating content (the module on multilingual practices and ethics, for example) and reflecting. This immersive preparation boosts retention without a single mock exam.

In the AI era of multilingual education, tools like these augment cognition, reduce anxiety and spark motivation. Yet existing structures and policies, especially those plagued by micro-management and control-mania, do not let such illuminating methods be nurtured and implemented.

Saturday, 17 January 2026

How to Translate Website Images

A short tutorial on translating the images on a website – a small, easily forgotten part of localising a site properly.

Making a WordPress Site Multilingual with Weglot

A walkthrough of turning a WordPress website multilingual with Weglot – useful for translators who want to see how website localisation tools work in practice.

Building a Multilingual Elementor Site with Polylang

A tutorial on making an Elementor website multilingual with Polylang – another practical example of the localisation tooling translators are now expected to understand.

Sunday, 13 July 2025

AI and Translation in National Security: An ICESCO Symposium in Rabat

We rarely hear about translation and interpreting in the context of national and international security. In July 2025 I presented a paper at a symposium on AI and translation in the field of national security, held at ICESCO headquarters in Rabat, Morocco. It was a genuinely significant event, one that added value to my profile and opened my eyes to new areas of translation and interpreting practice. With AI on the horizon, the attendees, myself included, exchanged some intriguing ideas.

Read the original LinkedIn post

#Translation #Security #ArtificialIntelligence #ICESCO #NaifUniversity #SoharUniversity

Symposium on AI and translation in national security, ICESCO headquarters, Rabat

Presenting at the ICESCO symposium in Rabat

Symposium participants at ICESCO, Rabat

Symposium session at ICESCO headquarters

Symposium on AI and translation in national security, Rabat

Wednesday, 7 May 2025

Responsible AI Use: Translation Students Apply GenAI with Critical Oversight

Online forum with translation students

Teach students to use generative AI with human oversight, and they will do exactly that, even when you are not looking. A set of meeting minutes recently proved the point.

A forum across two universities

I recently organised an online forum bringing together my former students from the MA in Translation Technologies at the Saudi Electronic University and my current Level 3 BA translation students at Sohar University. The objective was to build a community of learners, establish a network and encourage the exchange of practices across universities and countries.

After the meeting, I asked the moderator of the Omani group to prepare minutes documenting the experience. The format of the document, evidently processed with a GenAI tool, struck me. In my classes I have been gradually integrating the careful use of generative AI and AI tools with my Level 3 students, always stressing the need for human oversight of any output.

How the students did it

The students I am teaching in Audiovisual Translation this semester applied that principle to the minutes, which I found gratifying. When I asked how they had produced the four-page document, one student explained:

To prepare this document, I began with the video recordings, which totalled over an hour and a half. I transcribed them into text using Evernote. I then divided the text into smaller sections and used ChatGPT to extract the main ideas from each segment. After compiling all the key points into a Word document, I meticulously reviewed everything to ensure accuracy, and I found that most of what ChatGPT provided aligned with the actual discussions from the meetings.

Monday, 3 February 2025

Translanguaging Pedagogy: The Way Ahead for English Instruction in MENA

Enough is enough. Across the MENA region, a large share of students still struggle to reach proficiency in foreign languages, above all in writing, speaking and listening. The difficulty extends to tasks such as translation and post-editing, and it has become more visible with the recent surge in large language models.

Translanguaging pedagogy: translation and foreign language education combined

The video below explains the essential role of translanguaging in both monolingual and multilingual education, and shows its relevance, inclusivity and capacity to empower and motivate learners. It is time to move beyond post-colonial prescriptions about effective foreign language learning, whatever accent is favoured. This applies not only to the GCC and North Africa, but potentially to every region that has lived under French or English colonial rule.

Watch: translanguaging in monolingual and multilingual education

Thursday, 14 December 2023

Rethinking Assessment in the Age of AI

Rethinking assessment in the age of AI

Rethinking assessment in the age of AI is now essential for anyone in higher education or K-12. Assignments and homework, in particular, need re-evaluating.

From Product to Authentic Assessment

Product-based assessment should be reshaped through more authentic methods: case studies, peer-to-peer discussion in class, mind mapping, oral presentations, recorded videos and podcasts. We should also set critical thinking assignments in which the thinking is presented visibly and publicly, for instance in peer-to-peer interaction.

In courses centred on writing, essays, translation or commentary, assessment should be combined with other authentic activities, typically by pairing oral or visual artefacts with traditional techniques. Another innovative approach is to assess the process a student goes through to produce the work. A record of the prompts they used, for example, lets educators see the intellectual investment and reasoning behind the final submission.

What It Will Take

Implementing these changes demands significant pedagogical and philosophical shifts across the education sector, in K-12 and higher education alike. That may mean teaching assistants or tutors to maintain a workable student-to-teacher ratio, or reduced teaching loads so that faculty have the time to create authentic, high-quality learning environments.

The need for political will inside institutions is evident when we consider the realities of higher education today, especially in regions such as the GCC. Faculty development opportunities must be established, and class sizes and faculty workloads reconsidered to fit the new assessment methods, including training in innovative teaching strategies and smaller classes to strengthen engagement and learning outcomes. Adopting a new educational philosophy is imperative if these goals are to be met.

Tuesday, 26 April 2022

Teaching Simultaneous Interpreting Fully Online

Last semester I taught the advanced simultaneous interpreting course to my MA students at SEU fully online. It is now delivered in a hybrid format, but the online run proved something: conference interpreting can be taught, and done, remotely.

I used the interpreting environment on Zoom (a paid feature) to teach the course. Students appreciated the experience of interpreting remotely, and it made sense to them that simultaneous and conference interpreting could be done this way. Zoom's conference interpreting facility was the right solution at the time. It met the training requirements and objectives, replaced the interpreting lab, and gave us no technical problems during the sessions.

I designed and developed this graduate course, which comprises 14 modules, 7 critical thinking assignments, 6 discussion points, and a mid-term and final exam. I am glad to have been involved in its design, development and implementation.

Simultaneous interpreting course delivered online via Zoom

Tuesday, 9 November 2021

What Should a Teacher Know? Beyond the PhD

Teacher knowledge framework

A PhD or an MA in a discipline does not, by itself, make anyone a competent teacher. Teacher knowledge and competencies deserve to be discussed, explored and investigated, and nothing should be taken for granted.

The COVID experience added a whole new set of knowledge and skills to the inventory that instructors and future teachers, at every level, need to appreciate and be trained in. This holds in any discipline, and it makes professional development a certainty rather than an option. Research matters enormously in higher education, but pedagogical and instructional ability matters too, especially in professionally oriented disciplines and vocational training. Neither lecturing nor repetitive, experiential learning alone will fill the gap. We need a cluster of knowledge, skills and abilities.

Shulman (1986–1992) pointed to the importance of pedagogical and content knowledge, a key variable to align with when designing and developing courses. With the significant development of instructional technologies, a further paradigm emerged that adds the technology and pedagogy components to Shulman's framework: what Sharma (2009–2012) referred to as the TPCK (Technological, Pedagogical, Content Knowledge) framework, which teachers, instructors and faculty need to align with and implement, whether in K-12 or higher education. It is a more comprehensive and efficient approach: integrated, yet comprehensive and sustainable.

I will explore this theme, in general education and in its application to translation, interpreting, multilingual studies and EFL, in my upcoming podcasts.

Thursday, 11 February 2021

Yes, Online Translator Education Works

Some still say the online model in education does not hold. This year I had the chance to prove otherwise.

I developed, created digital content for, and taught two of the most sought-after courses in translation technologies, plus one course in advanced interpreting, fully online, for an MA programme at one of the best e-universities in the Gulf region, in partnership with Colorado State University.

I lived the experience from scratch, from programme pre-approval to where we are now: our second semester, with two more to go before the first cohort graduates. The content is highly innovative, some of it new to the region. So far the programme has been a success, and many more students are lined up to register next year. Promising.

New content, new mode

In the Arab region, and especially the Gulf, translation departments are not used to hosting courses such as localisation, online interpreting, fully fledged e-courses in translation technologies, revision or project management. These are top-tier innovations in graduate translation curricula. For such courses, students log into Blackboard Collaborate (the chosen LMS) every week, attend a live and interactive lecture, and then complete varied assessments of their understanding.

Diversified assessment is the key element that makes the difference, and it is why the synchronous online model deserves credit. Believe me, learning, teaching and transformation are taking place. Triangulating assessment tools; student-content, student-instructor, student-student and instructor-content interaction online; and delivering assessment to strict deadlines are clear signs of educational practice that creates impact.

So why the doubt?

Why should these learning and teaching experiences not be considered viable? On what basis? Perhaps an ideological, self-serving and narrow interpretation of what e-learning means. With COVID upon us, it cannot be denied that a well-designed online exercise or test should count. Institutional support should also be offered so that instructors can develop abilities and pedagogies specific to online environments.

One last question: what are we assessing, content or understanding? It is time to move beyond assessing the product (content) and focus on assessing the level of understanding, deep or surface (Bart, 1995).

Wednesday, 1 April 2020

Tools and Resources for Translation and Terminology

A short, practical list: how to build a term base in Memsource, plus a handful of dictionaries and resources I point students to for translation, terminology and interpreting.

Building Terminology with Memsource

  1. How to download the Memsource app to your mobile device: https://help.memsource.com/hc/en-us/articles/360004017132
  2. How to create a term base and add or import terminology files (video inside the article): https://help.memsource.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001725111-Lesson-3-How-to-Create-and-Use-Term-Bases

Resources for Translation, Terminology and Interpreting

Tips for Freelance Translators

Acronyms

Wednesday, 20 March 2019

Teaching Audiovisual Translation: A Gulf University Exchange

One of the best ways to advance translator education and translation studies is for our community, academics, professionals and future members of both, to talk to each other: through social media, online forums, meetings and conferences. That exchange of ideas, experiences and innovative approaches to teaching, practice and research empowers everyone in the profession.

Here is an example: an exchange between me and a colleague who had been assigned a course I taught the previous semester at a Gulf university, Multimedia Translation II (Advanced Audiovisual Translation). I was a visiting lecturer there for one semester, and I was the first to design and teach the course for that department. It was also the first time I had taught such a course.

His Question

Your course content seems largely technical, which calls for having technological resources in place. It is evident that you did a challenging and hard job.

However, I would like to share this with you and have your valuable feedback. Don't you think the course content could be geared towards highlighting the strategies employed by translators in subtitling and by interpreters? I feel it would be more straightforward and practical to focus, in this higher-level course, on what translators and interpreters do and what roles they assume in the media. This can include showcasing and discussing audiovisual and online samples. I have done some research work on Reuters translation, which may be relevant here, when compared with that of other media, say, Al Jazeera. Film subtitles can be another topic, whereby cultural norms condition and constrain translation, e.g. principles of politeness.

My Reply

I invested a great deal of time and effort in conceptualising the course this way. I took into account the student profiles and needs, as well as the local and regional professional practices I had already documented in my ongoing doctoral study. Class size was another factor that conditioned the design, the activities, the teaching mode and the assessment tools: I favoured a workshop, coaching and training mode over lecturing. Two of the four enrolled students wished to pursue a Master's in AVT at the TII the following year, and that too shaped the design.

The ICT element was integrated to support that hands-on, coaching mode. I placed many open e-resources on Blackboard for students to draw on when solving terminology and documentation problems. I used videos to explain the mechanics of subtitling: at first no subtitling software, just educational videos demonstrating how manual subtitling works, then software to train them to caption (or transcribe) and subtitle the captions. Students liked cartoons, so I used some (Arabic/English), along with news reports and documentaries, where speed is regulated. I focused on enhancing students' instrumental and reflective competence, supported by the technical material above and by knowledge of audiovisual translation from the literature (Diaz, 2007).

Another phenomenon related to audiovisual translation is audio interpreting, and even video (remote) interpreting. This is an ongoing practice in the profession, and I felt students needed to be introduced to it. Multimedia translation is a diverse phenomenon; it is not only subtitling, as students tend to think. To back this up I referred to recent publications in the field and to best practices published by professional associations and formal consortiums or forums.

Your plan sounds rational and clear, and you may well follow it. As I see it, it makes sense for an undergraduate minor programme: comparing media samples and case studies, and highlighting strategies and techniques. You are a translatologist, and you know what you will provide for the students. Such content would be another way to run the course, though different from mine.

Did you check with Prof. X whether she addressed that point in Media I? I remember her saying she covered that kind of declarative knowledge in Media I, working mostly on written texts (newspapers, advertising). What I did in Media II was extend and enrich the course by adding two missing practical elements: the profession and technology. As a minor course, it only introduced students to these areas, without the depth that a major or a professionally oriented BA or MA programme could offer. You might also diagnose the students' needs; it may help, if you want to do it.

I have said a lot here, but I hope you now have a clear picture of the mechanics and the ideology, the pedagogical rationale and intended learning outcomes, behind the design. It is up to you to model the course as you prefer. Your proposal sounds great and makes sense. But please check with Prof. X about Media I to avoid redundancy or misalignment.

Wednesday, 21 November 2018

Misconceptions About Translation Studies in Arab Universities

Over nine years working in translation units and departments in the Arab context, I have encountered many ways of conceiving translator education in university programmes, and many ways in which colleagues, administrators and even students picture the discipline and its practice, in academia and in the workplace. In the past I could not muster solid, scientific arguments to challenge those conceptions. Having completed my doctorate, after some six years of interdisciplinary scholarship in applied translation studies and educational sciences in Canada, specifically curriculum and pedagogy in higher education, I can now draw on both the declared (theoretical) and grounded (practical) scholarship on translator education worldwide, and in the Arab context in particular.

Why This Is Alarming

What I found is sad and alarming. Nothing is more dangerous than procuring derailed knowledge and engaging students with worn-out, outdated, underdeveloped and one-dimensional concepts, processes and epistemologies of multilingual mediation and services. These concerns do not affect MA programmes alone. They affect BA students, whose foundation of concepts, practices and processes feeds the master's level.

The Introductory Course Problem

Take the introduction to translation course in any of the BA programmes I have worked in. They predominantly share the same content and the same conventional delivery. Students risk being introduced to a short-sighted view of translation: the translation of short texts, usually decontextualised or selected at random, with no pedagogical rationale governing the choice.

If a programme aims to produce market-ready graduates in translation or interpreting, that first course should be the key starting point. Instead of teaching students to read and translate mini-texts, we can introduce them to a different environment in which they acquire skills and abilities that build up over the four years of the BA into a fair level of translator competence. Rather than stressing text types and rigid, product-based assessment, students should be introduced to:

  • information mining and documentation tasks across a range of resources, so that they understand their material;
  • basic tools and translation technologies to support their work;
  • building glossaries and term banks into databases they can use everywhere, as students and as working translators;
  • basic post-editing of machine translation output;
  • basic knowledge of how translation memories work;
  • an introduction to basic practices in the translation profession, including business skills.

Tuesday, 23 February 2016

Video Remote Interpreting Goes Round-the-Clock

A Common Sense Advisory note on a new video remote interpreting solution offering 24-hour language services – one more sign of where interpreting work is heading.

New Video Remote Interpreting Solution Delivers Round-the-Clock Language Services

Thursday, 31 December 2015

Apprendre et enseigner à l'ère numérique – Learning and Teaching in the Digital Age

A French-language talk on learning and teaching in the digital age – relevant to how we blend online and face-to-face work in translator education.

Tuesday, 13 October 2015

Why Translator Educators Need a Community of Practice

One of the best ways to advance translator education, and translation studies in general, is for our community of practitioners (academics, professionals, and future academics and professionals) to engage in dialogue through social media and the internet, alongside meetings, conferences and online forums. This solidarity and exchange of ideas, experiences, initiatives and innovative approaches, in teaching, in the profession and in research, empowers everyone in it.

Here is an example: an exchange between me and a colleague who inherited a course I had taught the previous semester, Multimedia Translation II. I was a visiting lecturer at that university for one semester and the first to design and teach the course for the department. It was also the first time I had taught such a course.

His Question

"… your course content seems largely technical, which calls for having technological resources in place! It is evident that you did a challenging and hard job!

However, I would like to share this with you and have your valuable feedback: Don't you think the course content could be geared towards highlighting the strategies employed by translators in subtitling and interpreters? I feel it would be more straightforward and practical to focus, in this higher-level course, on what translators/interpreters do and what roles they assume in the media. This can include showcasing and discussing audiovisual and online samples. I have done some research work on Reuters translation, which may be relevant here, when compared with that of other media, say, Al Jazeera. Film subtitles can be another topic, whereby cultural norms condition and constrain translation, e.g. principles of politeness."

My Reply

I invested a good deal of time and effort in conceptualising the course this way. I took into account the student profiles and needs, and the local and regional professional practices I had already documented in my doctoral study. Class size was another factor that shaped the design, the activities, the teaching modes and the assessment tools: I favoured a workshop, coaching and training mode over lecturing. Two of the four enrolled students hoped to do a Master's in audiovisual translation (AVT) at TII the following year, and I kept that in view during the design phase.

The ICT element was integrated to fit this hands-on, coaching mode. I placed many open e-resources on Blackboard for students to use in solving terminology and documentation problems. I used videos to explain how subtitling works. I did not start with subtitling software; I used educational videos first to demonstrate manual subtitling, then introduced the software to train them to caption (or transcribe) and then subtitle. Students liked cartoons, so I used some of those (Arabic/English), along with news reports and documentaries, where speech rate is regulated. I focused on building students' instrumental and reflective competence, supported by the technical material above and by knowledge of audiovisual translation from the literature (Díaz Cintas, 2007).

A related phenomenon is audio and video (remote) interpreting. This is current practice in the profession, and I felt students needed an introduction to it. Multimedia translation is diverse; it is not only subtitling, as students tend to think. To support that, I drew on recent publications and on best practices published by professional associations and consortia.

Your plan sounds rational and clear, and you may well follow it. As I see it, it makes sense for an undergraduate minor: comparing media samples, case studies, and the strategies and techniques they reveal. You are a translation scholar and you know what you will offer the students. Your material would be another valid way to run the course, though different from mine.

Did you check with Prof. XXX whether she covered that in Media I? I recall she said she dealt with that declarative knowledge there, working mostly on written texts (newspapers, advertising). Please check with her first. What I did in Media II was extend the course by adding two practical, missing elements: the profession and technology. As a minor course, it only introduced students to these areas, without the depth that a major or a professionally oriented BA or MA would allow. You might also diagnose students' needs; it could help, if you choose to.

I may have said too much, but I hope you now have a clear picture of the mechanics and rationale (pedagogical reasoning and intended learning outcomes) behind the design. It is up to you to shape the course as you prefer. Your proposal is sound. But please check with Prof. XXX about Media I to avoid redundancy or misalignment.

Takeaway

This is what a community of practice looks like at its most basic: two colleagues comparing design decisions openly, and both courses ending up stronger for it.

Beyond the Silo: Why the Future of Translation Is a Pedagogical Challenge

For a long time I felt I was balancing two professional identities. I was a scholar of translation studies, immersed in the nuances of cross...